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EPA finds Hyundai, Kia overstated gas mileage

fox -- Hyundai and Kia overstated the gas mileage on most of their models from the past three years in an embarrassing blunder that could bring sanctions from the U.S. government and millions of dollars in payments to car owners.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/11/02/epa-finds-hyundai-kia-overstated-gas-mileage/?intcmp=features#ixzz2B4MA4kds

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Submitted Nov 02, 2012 By: jbob357

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car253 Champion Author Ohio Posts:6,283 Points:1,466,670 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 10:20:21 AM Ignore car253 Report Abuse What else are they lying about?
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,953 Points:2,114,690 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 9:03:29 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse I NEVER go by "stated" MPG. I ALWAYS look at the VENERABLE source, the CR magazine, for the real-life scoop ...
yardslave Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,539 Points:593,755 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 7:01:08 AM Ignore yardslave Report Abuse Wow
jcdakota Champion Author Baltimore Posts:1,347 Points:361,345 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:16:14 AM Ignore jcdakota Report Abuse Imitation is the best form of flattery. They learned it from Detroit (the best)!!!
METEOR49 Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,157 Points:452,300 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:13:24 AM Ignore METEOR49 Report Abuse every car maker inflates their m.p.g. have you ever tried to get the numbers they claim. make them pay .
treehood Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,029 Points:393,835 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:13:04 AM Ignore treehood Report Abuse damn, I was thinking about a Hyundai with a bias toward the gas mileage.
mpg611 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,316 Points:566,920 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:07:24 AM Ignore mpg611 Report Abuse I know the government is pissed about this....they dont like the competition of lying from Hyundai and Kia.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,703 Points:385,050 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:07:03 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse I hope it cost the dealers allot.
RetFireLT Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,660 Points:171,085 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:06:12 AM Ignore RetFireLT Report Abuse Ok.
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,453 Points:660,025 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:05:21 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Like getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
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souly Champion Author Montreal Posts:1,750 Points:429,445 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:03:16 AM Ignore souly Report Abuse thanks for the post
Dragnet Champion Author Arizona Posts:15,390 Points:2,905,735 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:03:12 AM Ignore Dragnet Report Abuse Not surprising
vibdata Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,079 Points:847,350 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:02:16 AM Ignore vibdata Report Abuse Don't Own One. Guess no refunds for me. All 2 cents per person.
yonasb Champion Author Houston Posts:3,463 Points:736,125 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:02:13 AM Ignore yonasb Report Abuse Ok
billk44077 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:3,162 Points:628,630 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:01:25 AM Ignore billk44077 Report Abuse Ok
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,522 Points:1,855,445 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:01:25 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Of coarse
carloco75 Champion Author Richmond Posts:3,706 Points:597,540 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 12:01:14 AM Ignore carloco75 Report Abuse Extremely Pathetic Agency
tpguess Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,586 Points:368,910 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:57:03 PM Ignore tpguess Report Abuse Embarrassing Blunder.. my ass
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,599 Points:1,139,320 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:56:49 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Defund the EPA.
gasmeup52 Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,310 Points:679,780 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:55:40 PM Ignore gasmeup52 Report Abuse I'm shocked.
BREW9 All-Star Author Tampa Posts:866 Points:2,909,905 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:53:26 PM Ignore BREW9 Report Abuse oops
tco9436 Champion Author Connecticut Posts:1,772 Points:719,925 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:51:06 PM Ignore tco9436 Report Abuse Uh OH
Pozole Champion Author Portland Posts:9,579 Points:1,591,595 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:48:54 PM Ignore Pozole Report Abuse ...everybody wants a leg up, truthful or not...
Samo1961 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,880 Points:617,750 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:48:38 PM Ignore Samo1961 Report Abuse That's Not Cool!!
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,805 Points:1,427,825 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:47:05 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse That could be a problem.
dumba55 Sophomore Author Chicago Posts:142 Points:37,225 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:47:04 PM Ignore dumba55 Report Abuse wow
1Casey Champion Author Albany Posts:6,518 Points:1,789,785 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:42:08 PM Ignore 1Casey Report Abuse No one cares, it's America, Where the people believe what ever you tell them,
vrossi46 Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,657 Points:801,895 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:41:08 PM Ignore vrossi46 Report Abuse don't they all?
jpgilmor Champion Author Houston Posts:2,155 Points:601,125 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:39:51 PM Ignore jpgilmor Report Abuse Interesting.
WIWalt Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,712 Points:412,715 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:39:00 PM Ignore WIWalt Report Abuse I think all the auto mfg overstate, not intentionally! They probably use gasoline on their testing not that ethanol crap they mandate us to use!
jpgilmor Champion Author Houston Posts:2,155 Points:601,125 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:38:23 PM Ignore jpgilmor Report Abuse Interesting.
VanIsleLes All-Star Author British Columbia Posts:898 Points:274,595 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:36:44 PM Ignore VanIsleLes Report Abuse Whoopsie :)
BoerneWatch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:15,526 Points:2,451,015 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:31:53 PM Ignore BoerneWatch Report Abuse How do you get an EPA mileage rating without the EPA providing it?
serrog Champion Author Nova Scotia Posts:5,549 Points:1,509,205 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:31:29 PM Ignore serrog Report Abuse I think they all do it. I have never had a vehicle that ever got the mileage they said I would.
splitrman Champion Author Victoria Posts:1,310 Points:313,840 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:26:45 PM Ignore splitrman Report Abuse I call BS. MPG calculation is easy. Put a gallon of gas in the car. Drive it till it stops. See how far you get. Very basic test but you get the idea. Run a number of tests. Get the average. Should not be that hard to figure out.
jdc17327 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,555 Points:197,565 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:24:42 PM Ignore jdc17327 Report Abuse tsk tsk! Buy American
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,605 Points:3,491,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:24:40 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse So when is the EPA going to fine the manufacturers of fuel gauges that aren't linear. Why should it be the case that when the needle reads 1/2 that it takes more fuel than 1/2 the capacity of the tank to refill the tank?
DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,067 Points:1,387,845 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:22:58 PM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse Keep em honest.
naspa Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,256 Points:349,225 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:20:10 PM Ignore naspa Report Abuse Anybody who try to foul the regular people like this should be fine pd big time. Kia are jerks
nightworker998 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,797 Points:664,665 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:19:50 PM Ignore nightworker998 Report Abuse And how many US cars are the same way?
Yankee829 Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,191 Points:556,565 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:18:36 PM Ignore Yankee829 Report Abuse Ok
FlogNut Champion Author Chicago Posts:104,275 Points:1,985,500 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:18:17 PM Ignore FlogNut Report Abuse What percentage of drivers actually get the mileage listed on those stickers? All the manufacturers overstate the mileage. These 2 were dumb enough to get caught.
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,210 Points:869,975 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:16:54 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse The EPA's impossible goals make cheating more prevalent.
hcivic Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,839 Points:2,262,790 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:15:34 PM Ignore hcivic Report Abuse big fine coming to Hundai
aega7 Rookie Author Ventura Posts:97 Points:43,885 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:15:26 PM Ignore aega7 Report Abuse Ooops
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,976 Points:1,109,385 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:10:35 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse The last and only time we got a MPG sticker on the window was in 1985, never again... Stop the Corn water gas if you want better MPG...
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,470 Points:1,554,600 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:10:29 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse Those manufacturers should be hit with fines for overstating gas mileage.
BrucePen Champion Author Ontario Posts:6,591 Points:1,359,890 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:10:12 PM Ignore BrucePen Report Abuse Ooops! Somebody can't do the math!
Mr_Bill_W All-Star Author Virginia Posts:566 Points:356,010 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 11:09:16 PM Ignore Mr_Bill_W Report Abuse What is the price of truth in advertising and mileage estimates? Inquiring minds want to know!