LetemEatCake

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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2012 12:11:41 AM
Thanks for posting Teafortwo!
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melvindale

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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:49:17 AM
Cool! Makes sense.
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LetemEatCake

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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 12:55:10 AM
MAC48....Glad you brought up Root Cellars. Underground heat and cool air sources are really not a new thing as you stated. Payback is fairly quick and I am please to hear the AF is using this technology!
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MAC48

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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2012 1:47:19 PM
Ground source heat pump technology has been available to the US consumer since the 1960s but the cost to retrofit an existing home used to be fairly expensive. The optimum time to put a ground source heat pump system in is when the home is being built while the contractor is already at the home site digging the water, sewer, natural gas and possibly the electric service trenches. If a home owner is facing the replacement of the existing heating or cooling unit or both units, a comparison of the cost of replacing the existing unit or units with new equipment versus the installation of a ground source heat pump system bears researching.
A ground source heat pump simply uses forced air circulation within pipes or conduit placed under ground where the ground temperature is at a constant 68 or so degrees and supplements that constant underground temperature to get the return air up to a temperature that the user desires using either electric resistance heating or natural gas heating. Our forefathers used ground source cooling to preserve foods for centuries in what was known as root cellars where they stored potatoes, “canned” fruit and vegetables, herbs, smoked meats, etcetera.
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PDQBlues

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 10:53:29 PM
Discovery02: US Air Force is a great organization.
The military is greatly interested in reducing its dependence of foriegn fossil fuels and outside energy for a very practical reason: our national defense.
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lesndave

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 10:46:40 PM
Interesting
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Ply440GTX

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 10:18:24 PM
Why not Minot?!?!?!?! Freezin's the reason!
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Discovery02

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:46:04 PM
US Air Force is a great organization. Hope that program doesn't get cut with the Sequestration Axe in January!!
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hallows

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:25:42 PM
Sounds like a good thing, now just need to come up with the money!
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MopedTime

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:16:04 PM
Wish we could use same technology for our own home. The cost probably is very high initially.
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Bald1usa

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:13:50 PM
My neighbor installed one of these systems. Very expensive to install, but said it would pay for itself in less the 5 years. His "heating" and electric bill is down to less the $40 a month during the winter and summer seasons. He also, installed state of the art, solar panels, super insulated, and completely sealed the house.
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divebomber

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:13:12 PM
LEAD ON!
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carman11

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:11:09 PM
INTERESTING
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DeHavilland

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:09:12 PM
There's hope for us yet.
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Gramps001

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:04:50 PM
I thought military intelligence was an oxy moron...now substitute gov't for military and you got that right!
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Ticobird

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:03:02 PM
Innovation is essential to saving resources.
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Brucevanf

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:02:09 PM
This same source can give cooling in the summer
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Brucevanf

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:01:02 PM
Wow there is actually some Military Intelligence
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Rajah

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 5:00:00 PM
Geothermal heat pumps are great. Glad to see they're getting with using it in this application.
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mechev4020

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 4:55:35 PM
ok
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boatcrazyinme

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 4:52:43 PM
they need to do more of this!
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bell05

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 4:29:27 PM
Somebody is thinking outside of the box.
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TopGunn

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 3:10:15 PM
And the northern snows won't delay heating fuel deliveries.
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LtRTH

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 3:03:02 PM
Well at least our military is trying to do it's part. God bless our military.
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NorthglennBill

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 3:02:59 PM
Being self sufficient is a good thing, especially when you are living in a missile silo.
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fullauto

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 3:01:51 PM
geothermal cave cool
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ScottTee

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 3:01:33 PM
what is the payback on that investment? or ROI?
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slvrdo_dsprdo

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:58:33 PM
Cool. Or warm, as the case may be.
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BobBG

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:57:23 PM
Fowlcan, The price of gasolie is related to to the energy choices that all of us make including the government. If they were heating these facilities with oil or gas that would reduce the supply available for your ca and mine.
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LarksNY

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:55:20 PM
Awesome we save $10 here so we can throw away $100 somewhere else. Seems like logical math and budgeting.
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snell snail

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:55:17 PM
...interesting!...relevance?
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Dennisjk

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:54:53 PM
That's a cool technology but it's not cheap.
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SandeeC

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:53:57 PM
I've read about people building homes underground or partially underground and how energy efficient they are so this makes perfect sense. And what I like most is that any money saved eventually means money taxpayers save. So good news all around.
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gas_nipper

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:52:25 PM
my parents did this for their home years ago - big cost savings in all seasons!
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hank1326

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:49:34 PM
Good to know.
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danol43

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:49:30 PM
Good idea. Reduces reliance on fossil fuels.
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geoutpb

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:49:20 PM
Good technology.
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seawolf33

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:48:10 PM
Smart move by the Airforce
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gasmack

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:46:30 PM
Good news from an often overly stiff and inflexible segment of government. Thanks for the post.
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joekool1

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:40:33 PM
soon they will be forced to close so i guess this is no big deal
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MJIOWA

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:37:54 PM
i like it
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DJRIO

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:37:01 PM
good
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Spankster85

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:33:45 PM
Pretty cool and it'll save a little money too.
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boldrph

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:32:53 PM
what? another g'mint boonswaggle?
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cbucka

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:30:43 PM
good info
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fowlcan

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:23:04 PM
How is this related to GAS Prices and this forum?
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dbw03

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:22:22 PM
Makes sense, after the initial investment you get a lot of years of "relatively free" constant temperature heat source.
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hunterruss

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:20:08 PM
About the lowest unemployment rate anywhere.
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gasper

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:19:50 PM
Thermal energy from the ground is not a miracle find it is a technology from many years ago not new idea.
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Hugo40

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 2:19:25 PM
Underground has always been warmer.
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